Azure for Executives

Meet the Future of Software Development

Episode Summary

Meet the next generation of technologists and the Microsoft programs that support them. Jennifer Ritzinger and Pablo Veramendi talk with us about the developers you want for your next round of interns! Skilled students are building sophisticated solutions serving many industries and in this conversation we discuss how Microsoft is supporting them.

Episode Notes

Meet the next generation of technologists and the Microsoft programs that support them. Jennifer Ritzinger and Pablo Veramendi talk with us about the developers you want for your next round of interns! Skilled students are building sophisticated solutions serving many industries and in this conversation we discuss how Microsoft is supporting them.

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Jennifer Ritzinger

Senior Director, Developer & Platform Evangelism

Jennifer leads a team responsible for Microsoft’s Tier 1 technical customer events for both IT Professionals and Developers, including BUILD, PDC & MIX. Oversees keynote & content strategy, brand, marketing & demand generation, digital development, plus business responsibility.

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Pablo Veramendi

Pablo is passionate about building meaningful communities and thriving on creatively leveraging technology to develop innovative solutions and help others believe and achieve what is possible.

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Episode Transcription

Welcome to the Azure for Industry Podcast, we're your hosts David Starr and Paul Maher. In this podcast, you hear from thought leaders across various industries, discussing technology trends and innovation, sharing how Azure is helping transform business. You'll also hear directly from Microsoft thought leaders on how our products and services are meeting industries' continually evolving needs.

So today, we're visiting with two people at Microsoft, who are leading us into the future of technology. They work with future technologists themselves through various programs that engage students and grow technical skills at all levels of expertise. What's interesting is that some of the students they work with don't just represent beginning developers, but are already world-class developers in their own right. That'll be fun to find out more about. So welcome to Jennifer Ritzinger, who is the general manager for Audience Evangelism. Welcome, Jennifer.


Thank you so much. Happy to be here.


You bet. And we also are fortunate to have Pablo Veramendi, who is the director of Audience Evangelism for Microsoft. Welcome, Pablo.


Thank you. So good to be here. Thanks for having us.


I'd like to first just ask if you could tell us a little bit more about your team and what you do at Microsoft. Maybe Jennifer, you could start with that.


Absolutely. So we are part of the Student Developer Advocacy Team within cloud and AI engineering, and our ultimate goal and mission is to help the next generation of developers, those who are still in school today, so they're students, learn about our platforms, get skilled on our technology, and also provide very critical feedback on how it is to engage with our cloud platform. And so we run a number of programs, and we have a number of assets and offers for students developers. And it's highly curated. So we can help that next gen get excited about Azure and all of our world-class developer tools.


Hey, that's a fantastic opening, Jennifer. Thanks for kicking things off. Hey, Pablo, so I've heard about the Student Ambassador Program. Could you share a little bit about what it is and some more details?


Sure. Our Microsoft Learning Student Ambassador Program is a premier program for students that want to skill-up on technology and help build a path for their careers and their future in technology. We really provide them a lot of tools, Microsoft Learning being the top tool that we have for them to increase their skills in all kinds of different Microsoft technologies.

We give them mentoring through the program as well, both with Microsoft employees and our MVP, the Most Valuable Professional Program, as well as other benefits that they can get, like Azure credits. They get access to different benefits that we offer them to be able to skill-up and essentially build a better profile for themselves for their future.


So Pablo, great, great insights. Thanks for the intro to the Ambassador Program. So who is the typical person and that would be an Ambassador? And can you tell us a little bit about the status and how it's going? And I'm sure the listeners out there really would love to hear a lot more.


Absolutely. So the Student Ambassador Program is open to any student that is registered or at a university across the globe. They have to be 16 or over, but really any student, could be undergrad or graduate that has some component of technology in their career path. And as we all know these days, that's pretty much any career path, so really open to any student. They apply online at We evaluate each application and pick the top candidates to join the program from the online submissions that we get.

We're actually just about to launch our first cohort of Student Ambassadors. So very excited about that coming up here in August. And so, really looking forward to bringing on that first cohort, getting those students excited about everything that we're doing at Microsoft when it comes to technology, getting them plugged in, giving us feedback on what we're doing on the different offers that we have, as well as skilling up on all of our content on Microsoft Learning.

But it's really a program for them to build a community, both on their campus and online. We have all of our Student Ambassadors on Microsoft Teams, and they will be working together on building content for their communities, both at their universities and, of course, in this COVID world, online as well. So, real exciting, and you can send students that you know that are passionate about technology and will want to take that extra step to to apply today.


So I'm very curious. You mentioned that the next cohort's joining soon and that you received lots of application to the program. What is it that you're looking for in your prototypical Ambassador?


So really, you're looking for people that are passionate about technology, that really want to take that extra step into digging into what it is that they're interested in and how they can use technology to make a difference in their communities, whether that's by teaching other students, other peers of theirs, technology, and giving them a better chance at a career path, or even coming up with new technologies on their own, or coming up with a new app or a new website that can help their communities in whatever they need. So really, also, students that are passionate about building community, so looking for other students who build that community within their campus or online and really share all these different things about technology that they'll be learning in the program.


That sounds kind of like what we look for in the Microsoft Valuable Professional Program, MVPs, just maybe younger Folks.


Absolutely, Yes. In fact, I like To call the Student Partner Program the student version of the MVP Program. It really is. We're really helping them achieve what they want to achieve by providing them this platform. And we hope that in the future they will become MVPs.


I'll ask this to Jennifer. We just heard about the benefit of Microsoft Learn, and there is a student hub on Microsoft Learn. I wonder if you could tell us a little bit about that.


Absolutely. We've always had student content on Learn, but we recently launched a home where it's highly curated just for student developers. And we have all types of content out there, because we are dealing with a Generation Z, and they are very motivated in different ways than my generation is motivated. So for example, we have a lot of modules and learning paths that are focused on social impact and social responsibility.

So a lot of our students will tell us they're not interested in tech, just for tech's sake, they want to know how they can solve some of the world's toughest problems. They want to talk about climate change. They want to talk about saving the polar bears. And so we have provided learning modules that have that kind of context that's so important to this young generation.

We've also partnered with leading universities on the planet to bring their course contents to the masses. And it's exciting for us to partner with some very elite schools such as Oxford, UC Berkeley, Carnegie Mellon, to bring their IOT courses, their cloud computing classes to Learn. And then most recently with UC Berkeley, they have a data science course, it's called Data 8. And we partnered with them recently, and that's now available on Learn completely for free. And there's also some educator content here as well. And so if you're a faculty member or a teacher, and you want to understand the offerings that Microsoft has for you so you can bring content into your classroom, you'll also find that on Microsoft Learn for students.


What's the uptake been like?


It's been very good, I have to say. And I think, frankly, that maybe we're getting quite a few adults, who are also looking at this content, because a lot of people are looking at cross-training or upskilling and are looking at beginner content, which is what a lot of our student content is. And so we've had... Our MAU, our activation is very high month over month. And even better than that is the score we get. For each module, there is a star rating, and the student content in general is very high on Learn. So we're very pleased with the results so far, but we're always building new content. We're always thinking about new scenarios that are very important to this generation and always publishing new learning paths.


Fantastic. I love that, Jennifer. And just kind of playing back here, reflecting on some of the things you've said, I mean, Microsoft's obviously has made a huge investment in terms of documentation now with learning and with Microsoft Learn and just hearing you talk about the quality and the caliber of content that we're bringing to students, and as you said, very relevant as well, that there's lots of, in our current environment, we're seeing the people are cross-training and obviously having to potentially go back and to learn new skills and move to new jobs. So it's great to see that we're able to support that.

So now you've got me super excited. I've done my learning and I want to get up and running. I want to get my fingers on the keyboard. I want to get playing with some of this good stuff that I've learned about. So I there's this thing called Azure for Students. Let's talk a little bit about the what, what it is, and why we've done that.


Yes, Azure for Students is a trial offer. And so it enables students to get hands-on with the actual product. And of course, we all understand that Azure has a lot of different services in it. And so we give students $100 in credit so they can take advantage of any of the services they want, depending on what they're interested in learning about at that time. And so there is a sandbox on Microsoft Learn that is associated with the modules, but when students are ready to build their own project, whether it's for a hackathon or for a course project, this is where they can go directly to the trial and get hands-on with the product.

And very important, of course, is we understand that students don't universally, across the globe, don't have access to credit cards. And so we have removed that barrier to make it very friendly to students so they don't have to worry about that barrier to getting hands-on with Azure and our developer tools. I forgot that it's renewable. So as long as you are a student, whether it takes you four years or eight years to get through school, you can keep signing up for that offer year over year.


That's great. And so there's a couple of things I'll just call out again. So we talked about Microsoft Learn, as you mentioned, so when you're doing those Learn modules, you get a free sandbox. So that's great. So you're able to work through the Courseware. But the nice complement here, as you've said, is once you've built those skills, we're providing the credits to the students.

And you make a very good point. Not everyone, certainly at this point in their lives, has a credit card. So you've removed the bar to entry. And actually, $100 will go a long way, because we have many free services there, so it's a really good scheme to get people to practically get their hands on. And so from your perspective, how's it going? I mean, I'm sure that the students out there would love to hear what's the state of the nation and what's your thoughts on what are we seeing for success here?


Yeah. We have hundreds of thousands of students who have activated Azure for Students. And what's exciting is that, just recently, we actually opened up the offer even further. And now students at two-year schools, community colleges, vocational schools, in addition to the four-year schools, are now eligible to take advantage of that offer. So it goes along with our mission to make sure that technology's accessible to all students everywhere.


That's fantastic. I'm really happy to hear that about two-year schools and even vo-tech programs that are centered around technology. That's good stuff.


And I should mention, we actually have an Azure for Students starter offer, which is for high school students. So that doesn't come with the credit, but it comes with access to some of our free services. And so for those who are just starting to dip their toe in the water, still in high school, maybe taking an AP CS class or something, they can even get started that way. So we've even thought about the... Even though Pablo and I are very focused in higher education, and university is our main focus, we even have an offer out there for high school students.


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So I have to ask, which of you is responsible for this? We learned about a series on YouTube, a 44-part series of learning Python. How did that come about?


Don't you love it? You and about two million other people. So this actually was created by a colleague of ours, Christopher Harrison, who's on our team, and actually another woman, Susan Ibach, who is no longer with Microsoft, but she was with Microsoft for years, and she was on my team. And they are both Microsoft Certified Trainers. And they felt like it was really important to not only help beginners learn Python, but beyond that, as they thought through the format and the medium, they really wanted to make it snackable.

So this 44-part series are little videos, short videos, that are between three and five minutes each. And now there's actually a sequel to Python for Beginners that is out there and available. And we're also going to do another sequel on top of that, so more content is coming. But this surprised us at how popular it was.

We put this out there with a little bit of demand generation on YouTube, and it just took off. It was amazingly popular. Like I said, millions of people have viewed the series, and we were really excited by that. And I think that the feedback that we got was, of course, Python is very hot right now. Python is very popular for students and this generation of developers. But beyond that, just breaking it down, you're taking topics that can be very dense and making it short and snackable is very important for this audience as well. And it just makes it very easy to consume.

We were blown away at the response to that. And so that's why we will keep doing our sequels to it. And we've done now one for data science. So there is a similar series out there, with many different parts, in three to five minute videos, with Francesca Lazzeri and Sarah Guthals, all focused on data science.

And so, this is what we do. We talk to our audience, we understand the community, we understand what that is that they're wanting to learn. And we also understand what they're getting from the classroom, but also how we, Microsoft, can complement that, especially when someone is learning computer science. That is a very challenging topic. And a company like Microsoft being able to complement what students are learning in the classroom is so important. And you can see that by the response to our programs and our offers. And so we're just thrilled that we're able to do that.


So Python and data sciences go hand in glove, of course. Right? But I'm very curious, is there something on your backlog, maybe, that you could forecast and tell us about is coming up later? And if we can't go into it, that's okay.


I mean, we're doing stuff on everything. I mean, it's across the board, whether it's IOT or it's something just on GitHub. We're going to be doing new content on Teams. I mean, the breadth of offering is just large.


All right. So then now let's switch topics to one of my favorite things, the Microsoft Imagine Cup. So Pablo, let's just start with, can you ground us in what is the Imagine Cup and what's the mission intent around it? And then I have lots of questions for you, but let's start there.


Absolutely. Well, Imagine Cup is in its 19th year, if you can believe it. We've been having this competition at Microsoft for the past 19 years. It is the premier technology competition for student developers across the globe. So any student can participate, 16 or over, in a university. And they essentially come up with new ideas and bring them to life, bring them to the competition. They compete within their own countries. And then we bring the top student teams to our finals to compete for the world championship.

Last year we had $100,000 in cash prizing for the winning team, including mentorship with our CEO, Satya Nadella. And it's just an amazing competition, amazing platform for students, to give them the incentive to bring their ideas to life, bring them to a global stage. Not only are they bringing their ideas to the stage, but they're getting feedback from our judges. Paul, you were a judge once for the Imagine Cup, I think more than once, actually. And they get really amazing feedback from the judges as well.

And it's just incredible to see what these students come up with. I'm always blown away every year by just the breadth of solutions that the students are trying to solve at such a young age. I certainly was not doing this type of thing in college. And it's just inspiring for us to see this coming from students across the globe. And it's inspiring that we've been doing it for the past 19 years and looking forward to seeing what the students bring to the competition this year.


Paul, I know you have a lot more on this one, but before you keep going, I just wanted to ask about how many countries participate in Imagine Cup?


I mean, over the past 19 years it has been hundreds of countries. I think last year we were in... 72 countries participated last year and had teams that submitted to the Imagine Cup. So it's really many from across the globe. And again, each country has their own needs, and these students understand them better than anybody because they're the ones living there. And they're the ones seeing the needs that the people in their country have.

And what's inspiring is it that they're trying to address them, right? They're not coming up with blockchain financial apps. They're coming up with apps that are really trying to have an impact in their community. And as to what Jennifer was saying earlier about Generation Z, that's the trend that we see. They want to have an impact. They want to make a difference. And it's really amazing to see what they bring to the Imagine Cup.


David, you are absolutely right. I have lots of questions. But Pablo, yes, you're right. [crosstalk 00:20:13] I did get the opportunity to be a judge and, thankfully, you actually did ask me to come back. So I'm very thankful for that. And I would concur, I felt certainly it's the age of the students who are participating. I certainly wasn't anywhere near them in terms of their smarts and intelligence and being able to participate.

That said, for our listeners, I want some inside secrets. So let's start with how the people actually get up and get involved. And then I want to start scratching away at, of course, what you can share with maybe some handy hints and tips for some of the attendees that you've learned to maybe help set them up for potential success and maybe potentially being a winner. But let's start with the, how do they sign up? And then let's jump into the any handy hints and tips you can share.


Absolutely. Well, I mean, they just go to the to register. They can do it any time when the competition is running. When they do that, we send them more information on what the next steps are, but really what they have to do is form a team, right? So the past couple of years, you can have a team of one to three students, and you bring your idea to life with your team, come together, decide what you want to work on, who's going to do what. You can, of course, get help from outside as well, as far as other students that can help participate.

But really, only those three participants in the team are eligible for prizing. And really, we see them going to Learn and building those basic skills that they need to bring their idea to life, sometimes being inspired by some of those modules that Jennifer was talking about earlier and what they can do with climate change or in healthcare to make a significant impact in their communities.

And then, ask questions. A lot of them are talking to their professors and talking to their peers about how to do things or what's the best approach to doing certain things. But really, what we see for the teams that are winning, that are winners, that make it to the finals or to the world championship, is their passion.

The solution that they're bringing to the table is because somebody on the team or all the people on a team are extremely passionate about it. It's really that passion that shines through in their presentations, in the way they've thought through the solution, the people they've spoken with, and gone out to get feedback or done surveys. All that shows because it's something that they really want to make a difference in, and they really want to bring it up to their communities.


Yeah. It's kind of funny. One thing that popped in my head is, so I know that obviously when the students are in the thick of the competition, they can work some long hours. So I know that caffeinated drinks were very popular, so to give people and help them work. And then another thing I would probably share is it's being prepared, because ultimately you've got, as you said, it's talking about the opportunity. And so I think being prepared and well-rehearsed, perhaps. So caffeine and being well prepared would be my helpful tip. So and for other-


And [crosstalk 00:23:22], there's so many opportunities for students today to get started, whether it be a local hackathon at their university, or even there's global hackathons they can participate in too, and they can start bringing their idea to a stage, get comfortable presenting in front of other people. I mean, I can rehearse, rehearse, rehearse, right? If you're going to be pitching in front of judges live, you want to have your pitch down pat. But there's just lots of different opportunities for students out there today to bring their idea in front of judges, to bring their ideas to a community and get feedback as part of their Imagine Cup journey.


Yeah. So I'm going to drill in a little bit now on... I mean, I'd love to hear from the 2020 winning team. And I'll share one of my takeaways from the Imagine Cup, as well as just the new perspective on the idea, so the new ideas coming to the table, but also the innovation. Obviously, the theme is building on the Microsoft cloud and technologies, and so the innovation solving real world business problems. So let's start with, can you tell us a little bit about the winning team in 2020 and their solution? And then we'll talk a little bit about the technology innovation that they had under the covers. But can you talk about the winning team from 2020?


Absolutely. Yeah, the winning team for 2020 was Team Hollo from Hong Kong SAR, and they created a mental health companion app that essentially helps students or younger folks and anybody, really. But I think they were really targeting their peers, because they see that there's a stigma, in general, about seeking help for mental health issues. And they really felt like creating this app is a way for students or young folks or whomever to approach and address mental health concerns without having to go into an office at first. Right?

And what's really fascinating about their idea is about all the data they're collecting and using to better support mental health. So they have a big data platform on the backend that's tracking all of the folks that are using their app in terms of how they're using it and the reasons why, and anonymizing that data, obviously, but then providing that to mental health providers so they can better serve their patients.

It's really fascinating how these students have seen it. And of course, the age of their target audience, so they understand better than certainly I do, what are their motivations and what are the reasons why they might not seek mental health? And it's really important these days, especially with everything going on today, for anybody to have an outlet to get the help that they need. It's just really fascinating to see how they brought this to the table and the reasons behind it. Again, this is something they're very passionate about. One of the founders of Hollo lost a friend to suicide, and that was very much a part of the reason why he wanted to bring the solution to life.


Yeah, it's such an important topic, and thank you for sharing that. And I took an opportunity to look under the covers a little bit, being the techno-geek that I am, and just for those of you listening in... And by the way, these are real solutions that are being built. And so it was super impressive, because they'd used technologies such as our AI capabilities around things like cognitive services and machine learning, and looking at big data technologies, and then using things like deep learning technologies like TensorFlow and then surfacing insights through Power BI.

So it was awesome to see what they'd built, and just sharing that for the listeners who are thinking about hopefully participating in the Imagine Cup. It's a very rewarding experience. I think you get to learn a lot from thinking about the what's the business problem to then thinking about actually implementing the solution. And for young entrepreneurs as well, that are thinking about their future, whether that be in business or even starting their own companies, I just feel like it sets everyone up so well. So anyway, thank you so much for sharing that.


No, no problem. I'd like to add to that too, actually, one quick thought, and that all of these solutions that we brought you, you mentioned a ton of technologies there and it's great that they brought that all, but they started with one idea, right? And so they didn't know that they were going to be using cognitive services or machine learning or Power BI when they came up with this idea. But they had this idea. They saw this need and they wanted to address it. And as they looked into technologies in Azure and Microsoft, they saw, "Wait, maybe I can use this to address that," or whatnot. So they started building onto it to create this all-inclusive app.

But every single one of them, for every project that we see in the Imagine Cup, it starts with one idea in how technology help come to a solution for that idea. And then of course, all the other stuff is something they go as they bring their project forward and consult with their peers, consult with professors, bring it to the Imagine Cup, and they keep building onto it. And it's really fascinating to see how they develop throughout that process.


And I just want to throw in there, I realize fully that it's vision driven, the solutions they built, but the tech that you all mentioned is no joke. I mean, we're talking with HDInsight, we're talking about Hadoop. And I understand they use React Native for mobile application development. That's something that is absolutely leading edge technology. So that's really cool to hear about. What is the name of the app, and what platform can it be found on?


It is Hollo, is the name of the app. And I don't know if they've actually released it on iOS and Android yet, but that's their target. I think they have a web component as well. And most of it, I believe... And again, I'm not on the team so I can't speak for them. But they're working in partnership with mental health NGOs and in Hong Kong currently. And I'm not sure if you have to be part of that NGO group to get access to that app or if it's something that will be... I think their target is to eventually make it public or make it available to everybody. But right now, they're working very closely with these NGOs in Hong Kong to get feedback on the app. Obviously, mental health is a very... They want to make sure they do their due diligence in every aspect before they open it up to the public.


So Jennifer and Pablo, I mean, it's clear to the listeners here, and it comes through and permeates in the conversation that you're both passionate about students. But I guess the question I would ask out there is, why is Microsoft investing all these programs for students? What are your thoughts?


I mean, it is a cliche, but they are our future. And it's very important for us to understand what their feedback is on our technology so we can keep improving it. All of us here on this podcast are part of a group focused on different ecosystems, whether it's startups or ISVs or partners or developers at enterprises, and we are a conduit into engineering. That's why advocacy sits in engineering. And we help bring that feedback to the product groups so our products can keep getting better and keep being more competitive, and for beginners, for students, also be the easiest to get going with.

Additionally, I would say that skilling is a big part of our charter, and that there is a lot of demand from students to learn about our technology. And so being able to put a lot of content out through Microsoft Learn is a big part of our mission in what we do. And then I would say, selfishly, why I'm excited that we invest is it's so stimulating, it's so invigorating to work with young people. They totally see the world in a different way than we do. And I often find that they see it in a way of how it should be versus how it is. And so they're very inspiring to us. And so I learn from them just as much as we teach them. So it's very bi-directional, but they're an audience that is equally important to Microsoft as a enterprise or a startup or a partner.


What I think's so impressive about that is that most companies, even very large ones, they just have an internship program. And obviously we're making far more investment than that in the up-and-coming generation. And that's just wonderful.


Yeah, we have a very... And we're just one group, by the way, at Microsoft that focuses on students. There are many different teams across the company who are focused on education. And so when you look at it holistically across Microsoft and what we're doing for students, it is a very large investment. So it is very exciting that I love working for a company that cares about this audience and understands how important they are and how much we can learn from them.




So I'm curious what people can do to get started, or maybe to help some youth that they know get started, and whether that be an educator or maybe it's some of us parents on lockdown. How do we get started introducing some of these programs?


Yeah, you bet. I mean, Microsoft Learn for Students is a great place to start. That's where you'll find a lot of our content and links off to the other programs, including our educator programs. is where you'll find the Imagine Cup info.


On Twitter you can find this at MSFTImagine. And our hashtag for Imagine Cup is #ImagineCup. And then for the Student Ambassador Program, it's #MSFTStudentAmbassadors. And we are on Twitter and Instagram. And you can see all the amazing things that students are doing on those platforms, as they use that hashtag to show what technologies they're working on and how they're bringing their ideas to life.


And we'll link up all of those things in the show notes so that people have one click away from all of the programs that we've talked about. One last thing I'll mention is that we'll also link up your guys' social handles on LinkedIn so people can follow you and your work online. And I'll just close out with, if there are any other additional learning or educational resources you would recommend to listeners, what might those be?


Well, there's so many. It's actually, sometimes, it's overwhelming, because there is a lot of content that is geared towards this audience. And so it can be sometimes hard to navigate. That's why I love to point people to Microsoft Learn as a starting place, because that's where you can really break it down. And whether it's you want to learn a certain technology, whether it's a certain job or role that you want to know more about and what the skills are required for, then you can start to parse your focus and your attention and go from there and link off to the other content that will supplement what it is that you're most interested in.


Perfect. And I'm just going to call back to Team Hollo for just a second. I was looking around while you were talking there and we found them at Hollo, H-O-L-L-O, .hk. And they, just like a youthful team would have, have a Facebook presence and a LinkedIn presence, and also they're on Instagram. So they've got all that linked up on their website. And with-




Go ahead.


I was going to say, we're really excited they'll be meeting with Satya later on this year. And so really excited to share with everybody how that meeting goes as well, because obviously being mentored by [inaudible 00:34:50] CEO of Microsoft is no small deal.


So that's one of the benefits of the program is a mentoring session with Satya.


Yeah. It's for the winning team, yeah, the world champion.


And any insights into what that's about? Do you know what goes on in that conversation?


I've actually had the honor and privilege of being in the room for one of those sessions. And it's really... I mean, we leave it up to the students, right? It's their time with him, but they really ask him... What's been fascinating is they really ask about culture and how, as a fledgling startup, or a team that wants to bring their idea to life, how to really imbue the right culture into their project or into their solution. They always leave feeling very inspired.


That's very cool. I'm inspired by this entire episode of the podcast, as I hope many of our listeners will be too, and can take some of this home with them. So I just want to thank you, Jennifer, and you, Pablo, for being on this show today. It's been an absolute pleasure, and I can't wait to share this with one of my kids who happens to be in college at the moment.


I love it. That's great. We've got another one. Thank you so much, Paul and David. [crosstalk 00:36:07] We really appreciate the opportunity to talk about the programs. We have so much to offer. It's always free. It's always there to help people learn more and improve their skills. And that's what we're all about.

Absolutely. Thank you both. I really enjoyed being on it. And hoping that if students are listening to get inspired to participate, whether it be in the Ambassador Program or in the Imagine Cup, and for those of you that know students, and there are a lot of them out there, please let them know about the amazing things that we're doing here at Microsoft, and really want to get them involved and help them prepare for their career.


It's been really fun listening in here. And as Jennifer said earlier on, I mean, of course the students are our future, and so anything that we can do to help them on that journey, whether it be the Imagine Cup, whether it be learning materials, as we've said, I'll plug in for Microsoft Learn, again, super excited to be part of that journey and, obviously, our next generation and our future. So, just in closing, thanks everyone. It's been great to have you on the show.


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